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THE GLADIATOR
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Quick one-liners to explain why you haven't been to meetings
by gubberningbody in"i know it took a long time, but i finally made the truth my own.".
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Book sealed to the learned but not to the unlearned.
by hoj inisa 29:11-12 and the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i am not learned.. another way of saying this is that the book is sealed to the one who has been taught, but not to the one who hasnt been taught.
the one who hasnt been taught just needs to be taught.. the things that we have been taught can keep us from understanding the bible.
any error in doctrines can keep us in error.
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Jesus disses corporation-led religion??
by not a captive inwe were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.
but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.
a small sample--.
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THE GLADIATOR
Sometimes I react to the moment.
If I were to start a thread pointing out the inconsistencies in Christian's use of the Bible, it is likely to be jumped on by all the non believers and ignored by the people I am addressing. Or as has happend before, believers go into denial and say, 'show us an example.' Then I am into quoting from the treads I tried to leave alone.
I am driven by unconscious forces myself, that may have little to do with the matter in hand and often question my motive for commenting at all.
In any case - Point taken.
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Jesus disses corporation-led religion??
by not a captive inwe were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.
but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.
a small sample--.
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THE GLADIATOR
I appreciate your taking the time to explain your understanding of things.
Every so often we have these debates. I try to understand how you see things but I am just a simple gladiator; a relic from the past.
I wish you well in your belief.
Thanks for your comments. I have replied to you, to the effect that I will will stop baiting Christians and get back in my box. I have these little flare ups when Caesar is away.
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Book sealed to the learned but not to the unlearned.
by hoj inisa 29:11-12 and the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i am not learned.. another way of saying this is that the book is sealed to the one who has been taught, but not to the one who hasnt been taught.
the one who hasnt been taught just needs to be taught.. the things that we have been taught can keep us from understanding the bible.
any error in doctrines can keep us in error.
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THE GLADIATOR
Thank you for you reasoned response to my sarcastic comments.
I will stop baiting Christians for a while and get back in my box.
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Jesus disses corporation-led religion??
by not a captive inwe were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.
but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.
a small sample--.
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THE GLADIATOR
Your personal relationship with god is a private matter. A personal, subjective, spiritual belief; but this thread is not about your relationship with God. As far as I can remember, I have never criticised your faith or your belief in your God relationship. I can and do respect people's faith and the comfort it brings them.
This thread is just one example of Christians publicly quoting scripture and debating their meaning in relation to the Christain faith. Using the Bible as a serious textbook to settle disputes. I have no problem with that.
What I find inconsistent is the way the Holy Writ can suddenly become a collection of musings to be believed or not whenever an inconvenient passage is quoted. If you think the Bible is irrelevant to your faith, fine, but why quote from it as an authority when it suits you.
The issue I have raised is about the inconsistent way the Bible is used by some Christians. The comments that you and other believers have made regarding the Bible, discredits its authenticity more than any remarks I have made, on any thread.
If your faith is not based on the bible, how do you know who you have a relationship with or what his son's name is?
It is not my desire to upset you or any believer but I do feel compled to ask how you manage to perform the mental gymnastics that you do with the Bible.
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Book sealed to the learned but not to the unlearned.
by hoj inisa 29:11-12 and the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i cannot; for it is sealed: and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this, i pray thee: and he saith, i am not learned.. another way of saying this is that the book is sealed to the one who has been taught, but not to the one who hasnt been taught.
the one who hasnt been taught just needs to be taught.. the things that we have been taught can keep us from understanding the bible.
any error in doctrines can keep us in error.
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THE GLADIATOR
hoj, you are doing exactly what everyone else does when there is a confusing passage in the bible, layering on what you think it means by adding your own ideas and taking plain words and writing two paragraphs to explain what it means according to hoj.
notverylikely This is what all Bible believers do. When I say, Bible believers, I mean Christians who are not Bible believers. Well they are but they are not. If you understand.
They believe in the Bible but do not base their faith on it. They take the nice bits they like which support their beliefs and alter or ignore the bits they don't. Then make up bits of their own.
The Bible warns, not to add or take away from it. That's no problem because they don't believe that bit. The Bible says that men spoke from God as they were born along by Holy Spirit. Nah, they don't believe that bit.
Well some do, sometimes, other don't, always and sometimes. So they are Bible believers but they are not, though they are sometimes. Easy peasy when you get the hang of it.
It's how the trick is done!
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Research confirms - ignorance elicits confidence and assuredness
by A Paduan indarwin & others new this - research supports it - and shows that revealing the ignorance to the ignorant doesn't cure it .
http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/common/player_launch.pl?s=rn/scienceshow_item&d=rn/scienceshow/audio/items&r=ssw_08052010_1237.ram&w=ssw_08052010_1237.asx&t=the dunning-kruger effect<br><span>saturday 08 may 2010</span>.
dunning-kruger effect saturday 08 may 2010. a good listen.
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THE GLADIATOR
A Paduan A very interesting report. I never cease to be amazed at how illogical, contradictory and slippery, otherwise intelligent people can become when their beliefs are questioned.
Insisting that we approach all learning in a rational and objective manner, is the beginning of wisdom.
For example: Fear of the 'true god' is the beginning of wisdom. Should read:
Fear of the 'true god' is the beginning of delusional thinking and the loss of rationality.
mindmelda I have read many of your posts and appreciate your logical approach to things of the mind and reason.
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Jesus disses corporation-led religion??
by not a captive inwe were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.
but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.
a small sample--.
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THE GLADIATOR
Holy spirit has to work to make Jesus Way clear for us. We'll fight forever if only the words in a book lead our way.
I was under the illusion that Holy spirit was the force that inspired the writers of the Bible, to lead the way. Without it none of you would know anything about Jesus. You quote from it enough when it suits you to.
I thought it was the job of unbelievers to trash the Holy Bible?
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Jesus disses corporation-led religion??
by not a captive inwe were told that the right corporate "doctrine" makes the right group activity.
but words attributed to jesus at matthew 7 make me wonder if jesus wasn't discouraging that.
a small sample--.
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THE GLADIATOR
To hold the Bible as this literal guide and then to pick and choose which verses others should live by is dishonest, hypocritical, and cheap.
Well said. Pointing out the contradictions in Christan rhetoric will not make you popular.
Truth is a sword that divides, according to the Bible. That 'inspired Holy word of God' that BTS has declared is not the hand-book for Christians. The Koran perhaps?